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Comedian and "Daily Show" host Trevor Noah has adapted his 2016 memoir "Born A Crime" for young readers. "I didn't try to talk down to younger readers because I didn't like being talked down to when I was young," he tells Here & Now's Jeremy Hobson. (Dia Dipasupil/Getty Images)

Comedian and "Daily Show" host Trevor Noah has adapted his 2016 memoir "Born A Crime" for young readers. "I didn't try to talk downwardly to younger readers because I didn't similar being talked downwards to when I was immature," he tells Hither & At present'south Jeremy Hobson. (Dia Dipasupil/Getty Images)

Trevor Noah thinks we should all be immature readers.

The comedian and "Daily Prove" host's new book "It'due south Trevor Noah: Born a Criminal offence: Stories from a South African Childhood" — a young developed adaptation of his 2016 autobiography — isn't watered downwards for younger bookworms.

Noah says likewise tweaking some of the linguistic communication and simplifying some of the stories told in the original, his memoir for immature adults is largely the same.

"All I inverse in the volume was just how I described certain concepts, but I didn't try to talk downward to younger readers because I didn't similar being talked down to when I was immature," he tells Here & At present'due south Jeremy Hobson.

Noah's young adult book aims to provide American kids with an intimate view of what information technology was like growing up in apartheid South Africa — and to present a deeply personal perspective of how racism shaped the way he saw himself.

He says he hopes American kids reading the book volition understand that racism is "an all-too-common thought or a common theme that happens all around the world."

"I remember sometimes it'southward nice to have perspective on these issues, just so that y'all sympathize that it's non a unique problem that i country deals with, just rather an idea that gild equally a whole deals with across borders," Noah says.

"It's Trevor Noah: Born a Crime: Stories from a South African Childhood," by Trevor Noah. (Robin Lubbock/WBUR)
"It's Trevor Noah: Born a Crime: Stories from a South African Childhood," by Trevor Noah. (Robin Lubbock/WBUR)

His childhood during and after apartheid Due south Africa shows how as a kid, Noah was grappling with coming to terms with who he was and who he wanted to get. Built-in to a black South African mother and a white European father, Noah says he felt defined by the government — "it was interesting existence in a land where the law divers me as one race" — and by how others labeled him.

Noah says his book serves as a lesson to young readers: There's liberation in defining who you lot are on your own terms.

"For so long people wanted to define me equally whatever they wanted to define me as. I think that clarity for me came from understanding my existence and then looking at the world effectually me," he says.

Interview Highlights

On why he thinks American kids should know near apartheid

"One thing I enjoyed when I was growing upwardly in South Africa was in our schools, we learned about globe history, so we learned about American history. We learned about French history. We learned about what happened in Russian federation. We learned about Europe. Nosotros learned about Africa. We learned about South Africa. And so for me, I call back learning about history gives yous some context. Information technology gives you an idea of what the world was similar. It as well gives you an thought of where the world has gone to in comparison to the past. And and so for me, if you read stories from South Africa, if you read about apartheid, you lot come up to realize that racism or oppression aren't unique ideas to America."

On racism in America today

"I think it's unfortunately function of the fabric of the country. South Africa and America take very similar histories in that fundamentally, the beginnings of the countries as nosotros know them, came from a identify and a time when people had certain views almost people of a different skin color. And so that has traveled through time and that has translated into laws and policies that take afflicted black people in America [and] blackness people in South Africa. And then for me, what'due south always interesting is seeing what similarities there are, but and then also noticing what differences there are.

"For me, the big deviation in the by, yous know, we accept the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and that's, in many ways, quelled any ideas that [apartheid] never happened or it wasn't every bit bad as information technology was laid out to be or was presented as. I think that does something for a nation. Information technology puts you in a place where you can't be gaslighted at anymore, whereas in America, it does feel like this conversation about is at that place racism, as opposed to how do yous begin moving forward as a nation to go rid of the racism that has in many ways divers how people react with one another beyond racial barriers in the U.S."

On whether racism in the U.South. has gotten worse over time

"I recall some people will think it's gotten worse and I'm conscientious to jump to that assumption. I think nosotros've gotten more access to data and so, y'all know, sometimes the curves of facts versus information tin go against each other. I definitely remember America has gotten better over time. For everyone to say that 2019's racism is as bad as 1960'south racism, I think information technology is beingness a little disingenuous.

"I practice retrieve notwithstanding, social media, camera phones, etc., have given united states and so much more access to these stories. Now you tin lookout a video of someone being berated past their dominate and their bosses using the Due north-word in the office. Yous'd see an unarmed person being shot by a law officeholder. Y'all would never see that earlier. It was a story where the police could present the facts still they wished and that would probably be the cease of the conversation. Then I recall we alive in a earth where at present we're getting information on a different scale and processing that information can often mean that even though the earth may have gotten better gradually over time, we're now inundated with information that tells united states otherwise."

On finding clarity on who he is

"I recollect every bit human beings we're always trying to discover out who we are. I recall sometimes the simplest distinctions to make of those that run along color lines because they fundamentally set you with the group and then you can go from in that location.

"It was but me understanding where I belonged and who I was, because in Southward Africa many people were faced with a choice. They could choose to aspire to a racial grouping that we were told was better than perchance the i we were. I recollect information technology was liberating for myself to realize that although the government had tried to define me every bit ane race, I comfortably identified with and was a black person. Information technology seems like an obvious matter peradventure, but when you lot grow upward in South Africa, yous realize how complicated it could actually be."

On where he is now, personally and professionally, given his upbringing

"I like to think that I am the production of a world of impossibilities. You know, my female parent is where she should accept never been. I think my mother fabricated greater leaps than I have ever made. It's just that her leaps were fabricated within her world and and so perhaps don't seem equally m. But I think my family unit, myself, my country, we come from a place where we have achieved the impossible — a bloodless revolution, a shifting of power from a minority to a majority without there being a mass bloodletting — I think is a actually impossible story to tell [and] one that hasn't really been replicated anywhere else. I've come from a world where anything is possible so for myself, I never always idea I'd be here because I didn't even know what here is. Merely I was lucky enough to grow up in a infinite where I was ever told almost what was possible. In that location'due south a beautiful quote that I read the other day which was, 'Would you rather know what is real or would you rather know what is possible?' And I think for me the latter informed how I lived my life."

On his responsibility to inform people through his Comedy Central belatedly-night talk show, "The Daily Show"

"I call back I take a responsibleness to my audition as much as I have a responsibility to myself. And that's really how I try and create 'The Daily Testify' is I endeavour and be equally informed equally possible as a human being. Then the testify would hopefully be a manifestation of that information.

"Likewise I live in a world where I'm lucky that I'chiliad surrounded by so many individuals who are smarter than myself and so many individuals who button me to think across just what I know. When creating 'The Daily Bear witness,' it's that. Nosotros're creating, what do nosotros relish? We're creating a show that we desire to talk about. It's not like in the office nosotros're having conversations that aren't about what's on the air. We talk about politics. We talk virtually Trump. Nosotros talk about what's in the news. We talk about Brexit. We as well talk about pop culture. Nosotros're talking about Nicki Minaj and then nosotros'll talk about, yous know, boxing fights and the NBA Finals. And for me, 'The Daily Testify' should represent that. It should represent a conversation that people are having and hopefully nosotros find an audience that shares all or some of those interests with us.

"And then for me, the obligation I have to my audition is to provide a evidence to them that I think is interesting, and for me, the news is interesting. Politics is interesting and information technology likewise has a lot of fodder to make comedy from. So it'due south the perfect space for us to be in."

Book Excerpt: 'Born A Crime' (Adapted For Young Readers)

by Trevor Noah

I grew up in South Africa during apartheid, which was awkward because I was raised in a mixed family, with me being the mixed one in the family unit. My mother, Patricia Nombuyiselo Noah, is black. My father, Robert, is white. Swiss High german, to be precise. During apartheid, 1 of the worst crimes you could commit was having sexual relations with a person of another race. Needless to say, my parents committed that crime.

In any society built on institutionalized racism, race mixing doesn't but claiming the system equally unjust, it reveals the organization as unsustainable and incoherent. Race mixing proves that races can mix— and in a lot of cases, want to mix. Because a mixed person embodies that rebuke to the logic of the system, race mixing becomes a offense worse than treason.

There were mixed kids in South Africa nine months after the start Dutch boats hit the beach in Table Bay. Just like in America, the colonists hither had their way with the native women, as colonists so oft do. Unlike in America, where anyone with ane drop of black blood automatically became blackness, in S Africa mixed people came to be classified as their own separate group, neither blackness nor white but what we call "colored." Colored people, black people, white people, and Indian people were forced to annals their race with the government. Based on those classifications, millions of people were uprooted and relocated. Indian areas were segregated from colored areas, which were segregated from blackness areas—all of them segregated from white areas and separated from one another past buffer zones of empty land. Laws were passed prohibiting sex between Europeans and natives, laws that were later amended to prohibit sex between whites and all nonwhites.

The government went to insane lengths to effort to enforce these new laws. The penalty for breaking them was five years in prison. If an interracial couple got caught, God assistance them. The police force would kick down the door, elevate the couple out, crush them, and arrest them. At least, that's what they did to the black person.

If you lot ask my mother whether she always considered the ramifications of having a mixed child nether apartheid, she will say no. She had a level of fearlessness that you take to possess to accept on something like she did. If you terminate to consider the ramifications, yous'll never do anything. Still, information technology was a crazy, reckless thing to do. A meg things had to become right for us to slip through the cracks the way we did for as long as nosotros did.

Under apartheid, if you lot were a black homo you worked on a farm or in a factory or in a mine. If you lot were a black woman, you lot worked in a factory or equally a maid. Those were pretty much your only options. My female parent didn't want to work in a mill. She was a horrible cook and never would have stood for some white lady telling her what to do all day. And then, true to her nature, she found an option that was not amongst the ones presented to her: she took a secretarial course, a typing grade. At the time, a black woman learning how to blazon was like a blind person learning how to drive. Information technology'south an admirable effort, but you lot're unlikely to ever exist called upon to execute the task. Past law, white-collar jobs and skilled-labor jobs were reserved for whites. Black people didn't piece of work in offices. My mom, all the same, was a rebel, and, fortunately for her, her rebellion came along at the right moment.

In the early 1980s, the South African government began making pocket-sized reforms in an try to quell international protestation over the atrocities and homo rights abuses of apartheid. Among those reforms was the token hiring of blackness workers in low-level white-collar jobs. Like typists. Through an employment agency my mom got a task as a secretary at ICI, a multinational pharmaceutical company in Braamfontein, a suburb of Johannesburg.

When my mom started working, she still lived with my grandmother in Soweto, the township where the government had relocated my family decades before. Just my mother was unhappy at home, and when she was xx-2 she ran away to alive in downtown Johannesburg. There was merely 1 problem: information technology was illegal for black people to live there.

The ultimate goal of apartheid was to make S Africa a white country, with every black person stripped of his or her citizenship and relocated to alive in the homelands, the Bantustans, semisovereign blackness territories that were in reality puppet states of the government in Pretoria. Only this so-called white country could not function without black labor to produce its wealth, which meant black people had to exist immune to alive nigh white areas in townships, government-planned ghettos built to house black workers, like Soweto. The township was where you lived, but your status as a laborer was the only thing that permitted you to stay there. If your papers were revoked for whatsoever reason, you could be deported back to the homelands.

To leave the township for work in the city, or for any other reason, you had to comport a laissez passer with your ID number; otherwise you could be arrested. There was likewise a curfew: afterward  a certain hour, blacks had to be dorsum dwelling house in the township or take a chance arrest. My mother didn't care. She was determined to never go habitation over again. So she stayed in boondocks, hiding and sleeping in public restrooms until she learned the rules of navigating the urban center from the other black women who had contrived to alive there.

Many of these women were Xhosa. They spoke my mother'southward linguistic communication and showed her how to survive. They taught her how to dress upward in a pair of maid'southward overalls to movement around the urban center without existence questioned. They also introduced her to white men who were willing to hire out flats in town. A lot of these men were foreigners, Germans and Portuguese who didn't care nigh the police. Thanks to her task my mom had money to pay rent. She met a German language boyfriend through ane of her friends, and he agreed to let her a apartment in his proper name. She moved in and bought a agglomeration of maid's overalls to wear. She was caught and arrested many times, for non having her ID on the way home from piece of work, for existence in a white area after hours. The penalty for violating the laissez passer laws was thirty days in jail or a fine of l rand, near half her monthly salary. She would scrape together the money, pay the fine, and become right back almost her business.

My mom's secret apartment was in a neighborhood called Hillbrow. She lived in number 203. Down the corridor was a alpine, brown-haired, brownish-eyed Swiss German expat named Robert. He lived in 206. As a old trading colony, South Africa has always had a large expatriate community. People find their way here. Tons of Germans. Lots of Dutch. Hillbrow at the fourth dimension was the Greenwich Village of South Africa. It was a thriving scene, cosmopolitan and liberal. At that place were galleries and hole-and-corner theaters where artists and performers dared to speak upwards and criticize the regime in front of integrated crowds. There were restaurants and nightclubs, a lot of them strange-endemic, that served a mixed clientele, black people who hated the status quo and white people who merely idea information technology ridiculous. These people would accept secret become-togethers, too, unremarkably in someone's flat or in empty basements that had been converted into clubs. Integration by its nature was a political deed, merely the get-togethers themselves weren't political at all. People would meet up and hang out, have parties.

My mom threw herself into that scene. She was always out at some club, some political party, dancing, meeting people. She was a regular at the Hillbrow Belfry, i of the tallest buildings in Africa at that time. It had a nightclub with a rotating trip the light fantastic toe floor on the height floor. It was an exhilarating time but even so unsafe. Sometimes the restaurants and clubs would get close down, sometimes not. Sometimes the performers and patrons would get arrested, sometimes non. It was a roll of the die. My mother never knew whom to trust, who might turn her in to the constabulary. Neighbors would report on one some other.

Living lonely in the urban center, not being trusted and non being able to trust, my mother started spending more than and more time in the company of someone with whom she felt safe: the alpine Swiss man down the corridor in 206. He was forty-vi. She was twenty-4. He was quiet and reserved; she was wild and complimentary. She would finish by his flat to chat; they'd go to underground become-togethers, go dancing at the nightclub with the rotating dance floor. Something clicked.

The fact that this human was prevented by law from having a family with my mother was part of the attraction. She wanted a child, not a man stepping in to run her life. For my begetter's part, I know that for a long fourth dimension he kept saying no to fathering a child. Eventually he said yes.

Nine months later that yes, on February 20, 1984, my mother checked into Hillbrow Hospital for a scheduled C-department delivery. Estranged from her family, pregnant by a human she could not be seen with in public, she was lonely. The doctors took her up to the delivery room, cutting open up her abdomen, and reached in and pulled out a half-white, one-half-blackness kid who violated any number of laws, statutes, and regulations—I was born a criminal offense.


Excerpt copyright © 2019 by Trevor Noah. Published by Delacorte Press, an imprint of Random House Children's Books, a division of Penguin Random House LLC, New York.


Julia Corcoran produced this interview and edited information technology for circulate with Kathleen McKenna. Serena McMahon adapted it for the spider web.

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Source: https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/06/04/trevor-noah-young-adult-born-a-crime

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